The flaming torch
Just as a point of interest. The 1936 Olympics marked the origin of the Flaming Torch being carried through the streets of Germany. Adolf Hitler's idea...which continues to this day. This is socialism before fascism. And Jesse Owens, an American Black athlete was considered inferior to the ARYAN'S...or Iranian's.
The beginning of Germania (Gurmania)and the 1,000 year Rich was under way.
The Great Sage
The beginning of Germania (Gurmania)and the 1,000 year Rich was under way.
The Great Sage
posted by Dave at 11:18 AM
23 Comments:
Comparing the Aryan to the Iranian is absurd - Iranian politics is clearly in the hands of the powerful Ayatollah and the theocracy surrounding him. The Aryan doctrine is not based on any religious dogma as Aryan's considered all races inferior! The 1,000 yr. Reich began at the Beerhall Puscht when the brownshirts burned the Reichtag. I am sure it the publication of Mein Kampf that planted the seeds. Crayfish
Hey Crayfish...you are ignorant about history. Iranian translates to Aryan. Persia changed it's name to Iran in 1936 as a token of aliance to Hitler. They both conspired in the "Final Sollution".Are you aware of the recent documents that have been declassified 60years after WWII? I have 36hours of video doc's. and am seriously considering a partnership showing with a local university...either in Canada or U.S. This is stuff that will not get to the average public by virtue of our left wing educational system which, hopefully, will soon change with Conservatism. Look at how dumbed down our people are, they are totally unaware of the Nazi Iranianrelationship. Aryan was considered an "Extra Terrestrial" supremacy. The Nazi party began in June 1934 with the Night of the Long Knives and the wiping out of the SA. (Sturmabteilung). You are correct about the "beer hall"...was that comprehensive knowledge or did you spontaneously research it? Why do you not know of the Aryan/Persian relationship and their mission to wipe out the Jewish population today. Are you familiar with the Werewolf org. and ODESSA? And just as a point of interest the treasonist liberal...Trudeau was the one who brought terrorism to Canada in the form of the FLQ; but it backfired on him when Pierre Laporte got his throat slit. And who was in power when Jews fled Nazi Germany and looked for safe haven in Canada in 1939?William Lyon MacKenzie...a Liberal with communist leanings. I never want to see the Liberal left in power again...none of us will b e permitted to use our wings.There are no absurdities here other than the rebuttals.I am ETC.
Try coming to the intellectual battlefield armed with the facts boy. Every thing you are writing is pure historical bull. The Nazi party began shortly after WW I approx. 1918 it was commonly known as the National Socialist Party. After it was hijacked by the brownshirts in Munich ie: the Beerhall Puscht and the burning of the Reichstag it grew from one of 150 political parties to the third largest. Kristohl Knocht happened after Hitler assumed power as Chancellor. He became Furer later as his party gained majority legislative power.
As for the Iranian/Nazi relationship, it was no different from the relationship Germany had with the Vatican, England and America prior to and during the first few years of WW II. Whether the Iranian government had a relationship with Germany ie: those secret papers, it was no different from the relationship Germany had with many countries. Germany acknowledges and has apologized for WW II. Iranian religious leaders dismiss the holocaust in reaction to America's devotion to and worship of Israel -No Other Reason!!! The Bush money comes from George's grandfather who was the top banker for the NAZI party and did so publically until the USA entered the war. In private the banking business continued clandestine throughout the whole of WW II. I have archived more knowledge than you are capable of imagining.
The "beerhall coup or puscht" was a failed attempt by Hitler to sieze control of the Weimar Republic. The Nazi party effectivly began with the night of the long knives. As for your insolent claim of knowledge versus mine why are you so ignorant as to the definition of ARYAN? Iran means ARYAN. Research the link before you spout off. Also look at the Grand Mufti and his link with Hitler. Nazism was socialism gone rancid. It brought the world fascism. A bunch of wierdo's, former chicken farmers and such, who saw the swastika as a symbol of mysticism only Hitler altered the direction of the rotating mauls in the symbol, thought their influence was devine providence the world would adopt...if needed by force. This is the typical "force feed" mentality of Hugo Chavez, Castro and the Canadian liberal party. Afterall Trudeau was good friends with Castro who himself has admitted that socialism has failed cuba.
But in the big picture the Aryan's or Iranian's, want to continue where Hitler failed. Mind you a good many of the Iranian people want nothing to do with the Aryan policies of the Ayatollah's and Achmadimijad but unfortunately they will be caught up in the dire consequences brought upon them by their tyrranical leader's...of which you're probably in favour of by the tone of your insolence.
Get over it...unless you're living on handouts or a professional student (one in the same) sociaslism is a losing proposition. I'll bet you love Noam Shomski and George Sorros.
Incidentally Sorros is in the cross hairs, he will be the subject of attack shortly.
I am ETC
THE HAWWKSTAR IS PROVING A DEBATE OPPONENT, WITH SAUCE ON THE SIDE .
Whatever conservative blogs, pamphlets or essays you are lifting your information from I suggest you try reading documents that are free from the perspective you idolize. You do yourself little justice when relying on erroneous, inaccurate historical facts.Just because it appears in writing does not make it so.
All information is good however what is important is that the reader is able to distinguish fact from fiction. All authors have a desire to be read and often color or interpret things from a bias perspective to which you have fallen prey.
There is no dispute you have the potential to learn and expand your horizons it is a shame you choose to deny the reality of many situations because you limit your own potential because of your determination to see the world only through the rose colored glasses of conservative dogma.
In reference to the National Socialist Party it evolved into the Nazi Party and adopted the secular, demented, racist views of a right-wing Fascist. Fascism is not a politic of the left. Until you admit that basic grade 3 fact I argue and discuss with a boy who is his own worst intellectual enemy.
HEY HE'S BEEN BACKTRACKING AND REMOVING AND ADDING COMMENTS .
G.FRONZI . JUNE /21/2011
Boy,worst enemy? I do not write to influence I write to instigate thought.From what I've witnessed here there is no tolerance for diverse thought. The bottmom line to history is that socialism is a failed doctrine. Socialism led to Nazism. People wanted to believe in someone or something other than themselves, thus the end of the individual and the instinct(s) inherent to "the" individual Hitler thought for them. The Iranian/Aryan relationship is obviously beyond those incapable of seeing beyond the prism of left wing dogma. I guess it's due to the fact that it's beyond the left to grasp fact. I relayed articles from various sources re Islamo-fascism and they are doubted and/or condemned...more often interpreted as hatred on my part. I could have easily erased or filtered these comments but I didn't only because I want to see how long before even the hardest of left realizes how self destructive their ideology is. You people would be lost without the technology of fire...your Titan God Prometheus really screwed you over didn't he? or do you even know the story? The left considers all men to be equal...wrong...only in the fact that we all bleed red are we equal; look at how many people depend on other's for a handout. Is that equal? I depend on my abilities and nobody elses'. I am fully cognizant of the evils that lurk in third world shit holes. The West is despised and considered to be an infidel. You may wish to live in harmony with them but I do not...as they are not our friends. The left is unaware of the rising tide their lives are constructed on the low tide mark; soon the water will rise. I'm going to use a simple example and quite frankly I don't give a sweet flying fuck if you like it or not. The Obama freakshow administration wants to kill coal. Coal is a necessesity in the production of steel, but China won't, Venezuela won't and neither will Russia. Obama's plan has killed 1.8million jobs and by the time 2020 rolls around, if this left wing lunacy is not reversed it will cost the American econmomy 120billion$. That's just coal. He has put an end to oil permits but gives 3bil$ to Brazil so they can develope theirs. I thought Brazil had the world's leading tech. in cane fuel, "green fuel". Solar and wind produces 4% of our power but is heavily subsidized by the tax payer who is unemployed to the present tune of 14%. As the U.S goes so does Canada. Rather than a co-generation facility or hydro-electric damn or Nuclear plant this freak, as well as our own freaks like Taliban Jack Layton and the liberal party thinks that we can live with green energy. I got news for you lefties, it will not work. Why do you think China and the aforementioned despotic states are avoiding green bullshit?Your knowledge is academic but far from practical. I want to know what your means of support is hawkstar. Do you feed from the public trough? Are you an entrepaneur that has succeeded without tax payer subsidies? And feeding at the public trough includes a government job...or social assisstance? If you were wounded fighting for your country then you have all the right in the world to revel in your thoughts and I will not argue...but...The left is emotionally charged with a propagated template. Subliminal socio-communist agitprops have effectively hindered your ability to think for yourself, you need somebody to do that for you it's called "group think". The left is what society finds on an "Animal Farm". Your ideology has failed you and you love it."Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" but what remains stays with me unless I choose to give.And do not force me to endlessy placate the implacable i.e. Islamic extremists and left wing socio-communists.Re. Hitler again, for you flat earther's, the Holocaust was for real. I know I know Achmadimijad and the "ARYAN's" says differently.The Great Sage
With respect to the baron plains of existence I removed one comment from the bedwetter due to the fact that he chose stupidity over protocol. As for you Fronzi why don't you inform the everyone how this Right Wing Conservative Nut bailed your sorry ass out? Why don't you inform the self loathingmasses of your uncontrolable fit of deliquency that could have resulted in you getting very hurt after leaping out of your seat with a knife in your hand while not in the "right frame of mind"? Why don't you openly condemn this Conservative nut for financing a couple of your trips to the Western States i.e. fuel, food and lodging? Reveal how this nutbar Capitalist and his company, without equivocation, pulled out his wallet to pay for anything required or desired? While you're at it maybe clue in this self serving bunch into how many times you dropped your bike and damn near got run over once or twice...even plowed into me in St. Paul Mn. Explain to the grade school Einsteins how this whacked out Right Wing Freak loaned you a sum of money that most would receive only from a bank. Inform the world as to how a Right Wing extremist dug you out of a snow bank for the last umpteen years due to the fact that you were mentally incapable. Ask this forum of philanthropists how many times they called to verify whether you were still alive a number of times? or took you to upscale establishments to feast at their expense, or took you to a grocery store so you could fill your fridge..with baking soda.This is how hateful the "Neo-Con Right" is today!!! I hate my fellow man so much that I go to the extent that I do...or did. I've been referred to as a racist, because I'm proud of my colour, a bigot, a sanctimonious hatemonger and someone ignorant of world events both current and historical. (bad move) A perfect example of what the left is or means to society eh Fonzi?I would not change my MASONIC IDEALS for anything. To all of my "commenteurs" you have nothing to contribute to mankind other than self destruction. Spend 23 years in third world countries, a month of every year, 21 of which were in Jamaica and then speak as if you know some fucking thing particularily the importance of relieving the hardships faced by our fellow man...specifically a friend...or someone thought to be a friend. This unwavering perspective is that of The Great Sage
Rather than permit you to continue your degedation of me and mine be assured I am not nor would I ever 'swill at any public trough'. Why do you equate your friend Fronzi with me. I am a veteran of the Afghan and Iraqi wars. I volunteered and I am independently wealthy as I inherited millions when my parents were killed in a terrorist attack in Cairo in the late 1980's.
I have risked life and limb for my country and would do so again however it does not mean I have to agree with the politics or hatred involved. FYI I did earn my BA and my Masters degrees and am working on a Phd. My fields of study are Archaeology,Political Science and History. Next time you want to discuss topics that are particular to my areas of expertise I will challenge and correct your inaccuracies of which there are many. That you always get personal and attack unprovoked indicates you are as unsure of your facts as you are of you friends.
For the record: You are wrong about Fascism - it is the furthest right on the scale of left to right politics. You do not comprehend or acknowledge anything anyone writes unless it is in total agreement with your views thus proving you are incapable of accepting truth and reality, a common fault of the right. Your intellect reminds me of Sara Palin and Michelle Bachman the only difference being you claim manhood. Wintering in the islands does not qualify you to be an expert on the third world.
One more thing boy - if you write to instigate thought then why when you receive thought do you instigate comments that degrade what you have asked for. Makes little sense to me but afterall I am just a bloodsucking parasite who has been consumed by the left and I am so busy living off of public money as any good NDP, terrorist supporting, trough swilling, pinko, Chavez loving, communist, Islamist, freak does.
Dave you have given commenters shit because they got too personal with your postings and you have deleted and changed comments so, I aske how come you lowered yourself and got too personal with G,Fronzi. If all your 'good samaritan' deeds were of the heart and 'well intentioned' why do you post them all over your blog. The genuineness of your good will is left questioned. You owe him apologies. Shame on you. Crayfish
Sageamundo what greatness, purity and economic perfection has capitalism brought the world? Only a few got rich and gained power, politics are rancid and governments are all corrupt, all of this on the backs of the working and poor.
Need I mention wars, death, violence and displacement of millions of people for the sake of the mighty dollar. The state of todays world economy - based on Capitalism ideology and practice - have left us in financial uncertainty ruled by greed. Even the self-proclaimed Superpowers are suffering under the economic handcuffs brought to us because of capitalism. Capitalism and free markets unregulated have destroyed earth's resources, poisoned the environment, fed cancer, initiated and prolonged unnecessary wars that kill and mame. Yep, your perferred way has proved to be the best for the rich and has limited economic potential for those who are not wealthy by virtue of their birth. It is as though being a Mason vindicates all of you from any responsibility for the horrors your politics and economic desires have forged on the world. People who help and assist people do so not because they wish to laud it all over the recipient at a later time. Anything you have done to benefit others was done for alterior motives of yours and not because you meant to 'do good' otherwise, like a gentleman you would never throw it in the persons face. I get to know you from your postings and the more I read, the less I like. The Hawkstar is alot smarter and more versed in the world than you will ever be. Try learning humility and grow up you sound like an ass. I do not knoe G.Fronzi and I do not know Hawwkstar but, I sure would like to. Mullosk 1
So Hawkster what you're trying to say is that you're at least 70years old...with all of that acedemia behind you? If you are a vetran of Afghanistan then you are entitled to my respect...for that. As for your political position I must do the "right" thing and disagree, with all due respect, I don't mean respectfully disagree either. You've painted a self portrait, as a Quasi-historian, purveyor of junk science and someone incapable of engagingnin a sane/civil discussion. And...you are a poor loser. And I am a poor winner...it hurts,I know but one must feel pain to know what one feels when one feels pain; this is the only way the left will learn...by experiencing pain, the pain of being a loser. In addition your ideological position begs me to not only oppose your ideals but moreso mock the personnal accolades you so arrogantly bestow upon yourself. Hey have you ever explored the sea bottom...at a depth of almost 200ft? Have you ever went on any underwater dive excursions in the Caribbean and uncover cannons and anchors belonging to British Schooners or Spanish Galleons? Maybe you spent a good amount of time in the "Cloud Forests" of Centro America or hiking the edge of "ACTIVE" volcanoes. How large was that Yellow Fin tuna that you caught off the Nicoyan Peninsula? I think you're a bullshitter hawkster...Iranian means Aryan and if you were in Afghanistan you would/should know this. Only you know if you are what you say you are. How many third world documentaries did you say you've compiled?Ihave 15years of documentary footage that one will only witness with armed guard at his side. Since we're into a bragging session here hawkster just so you know I am one of the VERY FEW white men who have the privelege of armed military or police guard when travelling anywhere in Jamaica or when in unfriendly Kingston. I've been to the governer General's residence with 3 loaded M16's and a Captain (Devon)in the Jamaican Military. I've heard too many people such as yourself spout off their accomplishments but couldn't prove or back a thing they claimed...and another thing what the fuck would a liberal lefty be doing in Afghanistan? Most all of our good military people are Conservative. Ok OK maybe I'm wrong...just tell me where the Masonic Lodge of our military folk in Afghanistan is located and it's "L. #". Everybody in the Canadian Military is aware of this info. ...if they're in the military. And while you are at it just fill me in on how many "Craftsmen" you came into contact with or approached you while serving over there.And congratulations on your inheritance as that is precisely how the liberal elite earned it's livelyhood, and the only way because they sure in the hell didn't know how to work for it.Hey stay tuned for the Eugenics session....it's coming. In closing it is you and your ilk who've commenced with the personal attacks leaving an outside observer pondering your convictions. I am unsure of nothing. Who was the chicken farmer in Hitler's circle of henchmen and what did this chicken farmer experience that made him so sick one afternoon while inspectingone of the concentration camps?The Great Sage.
YOU KNOW THE TRUTH DAVE NEITHER ONE OF US CAN PROVE IT SPOUTING OF IN THIS BLOG , BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT KNOW THE TRUTH , AND IT ALWAYS EVENTUALLY COMES OUT . YOU ARE GOING TO KNOW THE TRUTH, THEN WHAT ? YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF RUNNING AROUND TO DO.
GIANFRANCI FRONZI . JUNE /24 / 2011
P.S. ARE YOU USING ME TO GO OFF YOUR BIZARRE TOPICS ?AND I PLOWED INTO YOU BECAUSE YOU SLAMMED ON YOUR BRAKES FOR NO REASON . THE WELDING STORY CAN BE RECOUNTED BY MANY STEEL PLANT WELDERS THAT SAW WHAT WENT DOWN .G. F.
I wonder why the 'police' guard you in Jamaica. Maybe they have to protect their investment. I smell a RAT. Bragging about 'armed gaurds' in the Governor's General house suggests their informant needed protection or you paid to get in or, you were being escorted out by M16's. Bawating Bob
You asked Hawwkstar to tell you his credentials after you accused him of 'swilling at the public trough' so, if you don't like the answers that's one thing but, you are wrong to dump on anyone if they reply to your questions. Military get educational opportunities and, if Hawwkstar is as smart as he sounds he could easily have entered the military after receiving his degrees and finished with military assistance. Maybe he is in intelligence, or recon, or other services not just a grunt. Do medical doctors who serve in the military have to be a certain age. SHAME ON YOU SAGE unless you know someone's life you should shut your mouth and like most others I say Go Fuck Yourself. Crayfish
I am beginning to believe that Bawating Bob may have a point worth considering. Hey Dave explain yourself to me now. You are free to think and write what you want but the two-faced comments and the put downs are getting a little tiresome.
You do not know what a 'sane,civil discussion'is. I did not paint any pictures I simply answered your questions and corrected your many mistakes. Junk Science is beyond my expertise as the study of politics is an authorized field of academic pursuit. Pseudo history is what you practice boy. As for you ANSWER FRONZI'S QUESTION DO YOU LIE?
The Beer Hall Puscht and the burning of the Reichtag were in fact a beginning as the publictity alone brought many more discontented, hungry Germans into the ideology which was growing amongst the population. It was the Treaty of Versailles in 1918 that ended WW I and left Germany in an incredibly bad state financially. Germany was being strangled by the French and British War Repreations Act which required tremendous financial burdens on the country. Hunger, like the French and Russian revolutions, created the kinds of turmoil necessary to ellicit the peoples strife in Germany. The propaganda utilized by the rising Nationalist Socialist Party and the facts of the stranglehold the allies had on Germany created the atmosphere that allowed the NSP to evolve into Hilter's Fascism. FYI the 'night of the longknives' was a cleansing of the NSC, the death of the brownshirts and the rise of the SS and related Gestapo programs. Which by the way are far too complicated for you to comprehend. The 'night' happened long after Hitler's rise to the Chancellorship which was reluctantly agreed to by Bismark in an attempt to smooth the political waters in Germany and try to stop a civil war. If you want to continue with this discussion without your pompus comments then I will continue it. I have never addressed your comments on Iranian = Aryan so, do not put words into my mouth - so to speak.As for the links you quote from neo-con propaganda - you have been assimilated.
Boy, you are so arrogant, next time you are in Negril take that backwater excursion and jump in with the crocks. After you dessimate them all, please restore the environment, repair the ozone layer, clean up Fukashima Nuclear disaster and be home in time to cook dinner at the Homeless Shelter. Fed Up
Hey Sage why aren't you commenting on Hawwkstar's last comment where he tells the real history of Germany, the Rise of the National Socialist Party, the Night of the Longknives etc. What the Great Sage himself can't argue with the facts anymore. Bravo Hawwkstar maybe if you keep it up Sage will shut the fuck up. Crayfish
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